Episode 15 Season 3: An Interview With Megan Owen Cox

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[00:01:09] Hello everyone and welcome to season 3 Episode 15 of Christian Emotional Recovery I'm your host Rachel Leroy and this is the first episode that we've done where I'm interviewing another person

[00:01:31] and so it's the first time that I've done this and so there were some technical issues. I am by the way interviewing Megan Owen Cox So this is an interview with Megan Owen Cox. She is the owner of Mountain City Christian Counseling

[00:01:45] and she is a wonderful and dear human being and she runs a program called Source. It's a course, a Christian based course for trauma survivors and we'll be talking about that today and she'll be sharing her story of survival of abuse as well

[00:02:01] and so I do want to let you know that this particular episode, the quality will not be as good because we had a lot of technical problems

[00:02:09] but we said not today Satan, so we kept on at it and it tried to several tries to get it to work but unfortunately the sound, there's a clicking sound in the background and I tried everything I could to clean it up and edit it out

[00:02:22] and I just couldn't find a way to do it so bear with me with the sound quality of this like I said this is the first one so as I learned to do more interviews hopefully this will go smoothly

[00:02:33] plus everything that could have gone wrong on that one did go wrong so I'm sure it'll get better in the future okay? So the ending does cut off because something happened with the recording when we were doing it

[00:02:46] so it may sound like it's cut off at the end but we did get most of the interview so bear with the process at the end when it just cuts off as well

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[00:03:18] I've been looking for jobs better paying jobs so that I can continue to do this because I've had increasing workload and I'm not getting paid anymore and I'm also going to be paying student loans again

[00:03:29] so I'm trying to find a way to make this easier and right now it's harder because I've been doing job searches and that takes several hours a week as well. So thank you for following me on this journey, thank you for your support

[00:03:41] Thank you so much for everything that you do that encourages me every day. I'm grateful So let's listen to the speech, the talk with Megan Owen Cox and go ahead and listen and I'll see you soon

[00:03:55] I'm so glad to be here Rachel, I'm so glad to be here Thank you so much for agreeing to do this podcast interview I want my listeners to get different perspectives on the healing journey

[00:04:08] Yes, and on basically how to overcome trauma and that trauma is in the body and if people are not have not been able to heal in the past it's not their fault And I want to speak with you because I know you're an expert on the healing process

[00:04:23] and on the somatic healing process as well of healing in the body Megan Owen Cox is here with us today And I wanted to give you a little bit about her bio so you can understand her experience

[00:04:37] and where she's coming from in terms of having done this healing work herself and then becoming an expert in this area of healing and overcoming abuse and becoming a spiritual warrior so to speak in doing this whole healing journey

[00:04:54] because it's not as a faint of art, that's for sure but she is a fully certified, um, pastoral counselor since 2012 and Megan has been successfully impinging the inclinance all over the country whilst facilitating their self growth She offers crisis and spiritual processes groups

[00:05:14] an individual Christian therapy specializing in abuse, trauma, and disassociative disorders utilizing therapeutic models such as D in MS, which is developmental need, meeting strategy internal family systems, IFFS, I've talked about that on our podcast, IFFS and I movement decensitization and reprocessing their EMDR

[00:05:39] Those are a mouthful but those are all very effective somatic practices that Megan and her colleagues do in their center, which is Mountain City Christian Counseling and her bio also says she is certified in bereavement therapy

[00:05:58] which is like losing someone or the loss or grief over some kind of loss Crisis response with the AACC and trauma therapies and suicidology in CAMS She is also a chaplain certified with the ACPE, what is the ACCEP?

[00:06:19] So it is clinical pastoral education, ACPE is American clinical pastoral education There we go, all right And then Megan is also she's written curriculum for domestic violence, non-profit advocacy programs, spiritual process and groups and identity based therapeutic courses

[00:06:44] So she has also been featured in many podcasts and conferences and I've actually looked at a lot of women They're really good, so if you want to check out some more of her work, it's well worth your time But she's also done courage 365 with Ashley Easter

[00:06:57] And she resides in Denver, Colorado with her four adored and adored children And she loves her job and will walk through the fire to help a client find healing The real deal, I've already been interviewed by her so I can tell you that she cares about her

[00:07:11] Guying, and she is one of the most compassionate people I've met On blind, so to speak And wrong, you can find her drinking coffee and breathing in the fresh mountain air every chance she gets Well, I'm just jealous because I would love to

[00:07:25] And then Colorado where you're in the college And lastly, I wanted to tell you about her new program that she has a course called source That's an acronym and it's for CPTSD and abuse survivors And it's Christian-based and there are different teachers in it

[00:07:44] Some of whom you may have heard of, but the courses designed to bring you home to yourself And if you want more information, go check it out at mountaincitycrystonCounciling.com slash courses MountainCityCrystonCounciling.com slash courses

[00:08:01] And I guess we're talking about the course, can you tell us a little bit about this course? What it does, what it entails, how it might help listeners to heal themselves

[00:08:12] It isn't affordable course, it's not super expensive like some of the same ones you might find other places It's more affordable. Can you tell us a little bit about it? Gosh, yes, thank you so much for that beautiful introduction

[00:08:27] Yeah, again, I'm just really glad to be here. I just love you to pieces Rachel and it's just an honor So yes, I'm most excited right now about source and it is an acronym as you mentioned The acronym is sacred self, origin, understanding, reconnect, centered and engaged

[00:08:49] So it's three modules based on the order that I just read so module one is sacred self Module two is origin and understanding and module three is reconnect, centered and engaged Now we've already started our fall cohort

[00:09:07] And we have a little place where you can sign up for a waiting list for the winter cohort Which will be starting January 8th, 2024 Great, super excited about this because we have amazing contributors

[00:09:23] All of this is geared toward healing the connections within ourselves that have been broken down Because of complex trauma But we have people like Patrick Doyle Elrin A. Arder, Sarah McDougall Jane Clap, Sam Powell Joseph Poet, we have Luke and Lauren

[00:09:43] Small come, we have, oh my gosh, we have so many more Natalie Hoffman I know I'm missing a whole bunch of people but it's it's, oh here it is Natalie Hoffman, Dr Andrew Bowman, Helena Nolton, Heather Elizabeth, Sue Maker, Victoria Petro, Sarah Cox and Karen Darmann Gardner

[00:10:05] So, great line up like a super great line up That's an impressive list of names and I actually follow some of them on Facebook And you're in trauma recovery and trauma recovery with a Christian influence That's definitely, you know, within the Christian community

[00:10:22] That's definitely a great line up there Check out the more if you haven't Thank you, thank you so it's, I really put a lot of thought Into the way that it's organized Obviously with the acronym and all of that

[00:10:37] But what we're trying to do is heal the broken parts of ourselves And make connections to ourselves That's why it's called source because we're connecting to our soul And as Christians, we believe that our soul was breathed into us by God

[00:10:55] It's indestructible because it's going on from this light And that part of us dances with the Holy Spirit Who also lives inside of us But unfortunately in a lot of the more fundamental evangelical churches and culture And so many religious structures We are turned away from ourselves

[00:11:17] And we get to where we don't even know who we are Yes, yes, yes And I, you know, the Barbie movie just came out And I've been using the Barbie box as an analogy for a couple of months now

[00:11:30] But it's, it's that sort of thing where, you know, we give our lives to Christ And everybody's really excited and we go to church And then we're told, okay, now you need to look like us And act like us and be like us and then you'll be holy

[00:11:46] And that's sort of a particular type of death I don't think our soul dies but I think our soul can be laying on the floor Rising And so that's part of what causes complex trauma or CPTSD It are those kind of wounds and the separation from ourselves

[00:12:08] That might express itself and how we are looking for external validation If we need a lot of external validation, we might have CPTSD If we feel like we are wrong somehow and I don't mean wrong about things

[00:12:24] But actually wrong as though other people have a blueprint for life But we don't, we might have CPTSD or maybe it's that feeling Where you go into an emotional flashback And you feel like a child again You've been, you've been made to be a little child

[00:12:45] Or a little woman, not allowed to grow up into maturity Sort of still drinking milk So these are all three or four of the many, many symptoms of complex trauma You can find a comprehensive list in a Pete Walker's book Complex Post-traumatic stress disorder

[00:13:07] But yeah, it's a really good book And there's no sort of known cure for CPTSD as you know But it is a big combination of many different modalities One of them being to connect to our core spiritual self Another to connect to our bodies

[00:13:33] And to heal the trauma that our bodies present So you've probably talked to your listeners Rachel about implicit memories And those are the memories that our bodies hold And then actually cause symptoms And so that comes up in one of the modules

[00:13:56] With Jane Clap who's a young Ian analyst Just a very spiritual woman But yeah, and that one comes in I think in modules three where we're reconnecting So some of the titles of our of the video course Consist of the following The betrayed self with El Rene Arters

[00:14:20] The true and beloved self with Sarah McDucle Inner child connection with Jane Clap Origin stories with me, Megan, Owen Cox She'll loom with theologian Sam Powell And so on and then learning to love ourselves Learning to companion ourselves Self-compassion connection to body

[00:14:40] That brings so much healing along with the other modalities Such as EMDR that you've already mentioned But it's a consistent underlying invisible conversation To teach us to trust ourselves Yeah, and I think that's something that often we're not supposed to do

[00:15:05] As Christian and you know even the Bible Talks about living our neighbor as ourselves And while you know of course loving God is the number one Conniment living other people You know we can't make that healing Journey without that connection

[00:15:21] If it's severed how can we make those other connections And so I'm seeing what you're describing here Is helping people to make that connection So they can do those other things as well That all part of the healing process It's sort of holistic, it's all of us Yes

[00:15:38] Yes, I love that you said the word holistic Exactly And it really is based on my theological understanding of what God wants for us Which is shallow in the way that I break that down Is homeless with God, homeless with ourselves And homeless with other people

[00:15:54] So it's a beautiful living water type flow of connection With God in ourselves and others And as you know Rachel we cannot love others if we don't love ourselves And you know God is the best parent out there Yes And yeah go ahead

[00:16:15] If we have severed relationships with our parents We're some of the CPSD can come from You know this isn't about brain Sometimes parents did the best they could That still happens because of all of the complicated reasons But you know that parental relationship Getting that back with God

[00:16:36] Helps us to sort of heal that mother wound And that father wound too at the same Oh my goodness, yes I love what you just said Rachel I love that it's so true You know there are great parents out there who just missed the mark

[00:16:52] And if you're a parent like I am I routinely missed the mark with my kids I try really hard But sometimes parents are going through their own Puff stuff or crazy So maybe they just don't know how to attune to their children So yeah go ahead

[00:17:12] No we're definitely all human And you know there are definitely people who are Not shall we say not of the better variety But I think that the average person is doing the best they can And you know that's not to make excuses for

[00:17:25] The fact that a lot of people do have trauma And that leaves a mark and that that can cause harm You know that's not to invalidate that experience But I think it's kind of both and that a lot of parents are doing the best they can

[00:17:36] And they make mistakes Sometimes maybe they're just going through their own trauma And they not resolve that So that becomes generational trauma in a lot of cases Absolutely and if you're listening to this And if you are anything like Rachel

[00:17:50] You're probably a psychopathic or you're probably one of those people Who has said like I did It ends with me I'm going to turn around and give my children what I did not get And they will be better off

[00:18:05] I will fight the giants as many as I can So they don't have to fight as many Yes for people that have children they're able to pass on Something to them that's more Attuned and help the year

[00:18:18] And for those that don't have children they may pass it on In other ways in the spiritual community or with other people Or just breaking that cycle for themselves So it's a definitely a process Work's going through And so I definitely encourage you to take

[00:18:31] Megan's course and take other courses like that That can help you on the healing journey So Megan, can you tell us a little bit about your survival story And healing journey and how this got you into pastoral counseling Does make this you feel comfortable sharing

[00:18:49] Oh yeah I'm pretty open my stories been out there for a good 12 or 13 years And so it's all it's all pretty public But I ended up getting my masters in pastoral counseling When I was in my 20s which I'm 49 almost 50 now

[00:19:08] But I was offered a full scholarship which now I understand Was very much God's handy work there It wasn't anything that I expected that I went ahead and did it In the meantime my husband was in seminary Doing his degree I think I had three children

[00:19:31] I think I had four children in six years So I managed to squeeze a two year program into six years But I did it amazing Yeah, it's all a blur But I don't really I didn't believe I didn't think that I could use my degree

[00:19:50] Because I was in a very abusive situation With my husband It was sort of a he was a men and night Russian Baptist German national And came from a very very cold-like situation From his family

[00:20:12] And I had just lost my parents in a car accident when I met him So I know I was very very vulnerable I looked at his family and thought oh my gosh, I could have a family And they'll love me You know But I was never good enough

[00:20:32] I was to American I You know I was criticized for Not doing more I was criticized for wearing makeup I was criticized for wanting to buy a new dress You know it just a constant strain Down-trodden The marriage was abusive in every way Mental emotional, physical, sexual

[00:20:56] And spiritual Especially spiritual Yeah It was just sort of a dramatic exit Where in 2011 A couple of my kids seem to be You know in my mind They were now getting old enough to receive abuse from him He seemed to be turning a lot of that

[00:21:18] Toward them as well And a beautiful neighbor who spoke English We left Germany, we were in Germany She noticed bruises on our arms Because he would grab our arms, drag us around By our arms, that sort of thing Just manhandle the kids And And

[00:21:40] That was the first time I really Really opened up I had to leave three years before And when I went back Because I had a newborn It got worse And I had even less resources And then we moved ever season Then I was really out of luck

[00:21:58] Because I was there with his family And I didn't speak the language But this family Who spoke English, flew my kids in me Just a couple days later Back to the states And I told him that we were going to visit

[00:22:12] My mother and that we'd be back in two weeks And we left and we never went back And so it was a very dramatic exit And it was very difficult and painful Because I did not have support When I landed

[00:22:28] I felt as though he had talked to everybody And my family told them I was crazy Spoke to my home church I felt like I was being harassed I was suffering from post separation abuse And everyone was pushing me to go back and I almost did

[00:22:42] I almost did But there were some Cracked doors that I dragged my children through And went through myself And just kept on trying And working It was the bravest thing I ever did in my life Yeah Yeah And So I had to start all over with my kids

[00:23:04] And we did And we did And we did And There was a time where I was Just weeping, sobbing before God On the kitchen floor And begging him to help me And I was angry I mean I was Banging in a carpet with my fist

[00:23:28] My kids were all in bed as sleep And we were in a 700 square fall home And I was working so hard And my nervous system was continually activated At a 10 or 11 every day And couldn't sleep And all of this and I was so scared

[00:23:42] Rachel and it was young Yeah And the kids were little And I said, God, I have done everything That I thought you asked me to do And look at my life, look at where I am now And I really Didn't know what I was asking God

[00:24:02] And I don't have a lot of times in my life Where I could hear his voice Just audibly spirit But he said, I want you to obey me And I got even more angry And I said, well what in the world does that mean I am obeying you

[00:24:16] And he said, I want you to love God I want you to love your neighbor as you love yourself And Having come from a very legalistic background That was brand new to me Somehow And I went to bed And I was left for the first time

[00:24:34] And then the next morning I got up I had an email From my friend Brandy Who was trying to raise money for the Indian Rescue Mission She asked if I would take part in fundraising And I remember I remember Exactly what I thought I thought

[00:24:50] I can't do anything for anybody I can't give anybody But I can give other people's money To people who need it And that was my first fundraiser And I raised $500 for the Indian Rescue Mission And James, the one who runs this mission

[00:25:06] wrote me back and he said, you are giving women a voice Wow That's peppy And it was so powerful And I thought I don't even have a voice I don't even know what it feels like to have a voice Because I was supposed to be quiet and submissive

[00:25:20] And I'd really take in that mantle On of this very holy woman And So I started writing I continued to grow I would not give up my relationship to God Even though my ex husband was telling people I was going to hell and that I'm a heretic

[00:25:38] And I kept on going And then I started a non-profit For single mothers who were leaving abuse And who had been Parias in their church And in their families And I did that for seven years And then it was time to start mountain city Christian counseling

[00:25:56] Which I started About two and a half years ago And so much has come out of that And so I've continued to do my healing work As you know, we keep on going It's never over You know But I don't even know who that girl was

[00:26:14] I don't even know who that girl was Who couldn't speak or look Anybody in the eye Or who felt shame for wanting to get away from abuse It's like another lifetime ago It sounds like the healing process You just changed so much

[00:26:30] It's like your new but you're a new you In the same way Yeah, so Yeah, which that's what we're supposed to do We're supposed to grow We're supposed to To empty ourselves so that we can become The best version of ourselves That God wants us to be

[00:26:48] And become an recreation And to me that isn't about being An empowered and All that comes from You know all the healing comes from God But we do have to do the healing work You know Yeah, it's hard. It's not for the faint of heart That's for sure

[00:27:06] No, but your stories Go ahead I was just going to say it's it's can be pure hell It is It's awful You're in a dark dark place when you're trying to heal And but it's so worth it It is and your story is so inspiring

[00:27:22] The fact that you came from another country With four kids alone And you left all your positions And you didn't even have a soft place to land When you came back I mean that was That's amazing that you made it through that time

[00:27:38] And I hear so many stories like that People just taking their kids and I don't know where I'm going I don't know what I'm doing I'm just trusting God I'm just trusting God You're in a better place And it's almost surreal isn't it? Oh my gosh

[00:27:56] You describe it so perfectly Yeah, it's blank. Your future is blank And the hyper vigilance that I sustained That overplayed I was just going to say I'm just going to say I'm just going to say I'm just going to say I'm just going to say

[00:28:16] I sustained that overprotectiveness I had with my children Really just shook my body Literally shook for weeks After landing And I just couldn't believe how far His reach was in my life And with my own siblings And all of that You said something That made me think about

[00:28:38] Oh women leaving Living You know, and whether you have kids or not When I do want to say when I say Cyclebreaker, I mean for every Persons who comes after you All the generations even if you don't Have children you have an influence on The next generations

[00:28:58] So whether you're married And you've left an abusive marriage As a single person Or with kids Both And all of that is Absolutely That unless it's that Bad You don't leave like that with four Kids or a dramatic exit Unless you are dying On the inside

[00:29:24] Or you think you might Be in danger of dying Those are my heroes That's why I'd love to serve them And you've had an organization Or something that An organization that helps women Who Is in they need to Find safety Well, yes I did

[00:29:46] I'm not the executive director anymore But that's the nonprofit that I founded And when I was running it We helped single mothers who were escaping I don't think they do that anymore I think now they Do things like provide food pantries And school supplies

[00:30:06] But it's called Give her wings And it's a nonprofit Yeah, and it does that much Important work It's that's such important work Especially within the Christian community Because so many churches teach People men and women alike That if they're in a marriage That is just downright Structiv downright

[00:30:28] Debilitatingly abusive There's supposed to stay in the marriage And we might not want And That's just It's not true That's not who got it God says Let me say it this way Jesus died for you as an individual Not for your marriage

[00:30:54] And if you are dying in your marriage Jesus wants you to get out Divorce can be life saving Yes, it can It can That's different than maybe Work out some differences And there's not like any abuse Going on but maybe There's some tension there

[00:31:14] And maybe things can be worked out But we're talking about Situations where the person is Suffering from severe neglect And severe emotional abuse And physical abuse and they're Safety and they're well-being are at stake That's a situation where the person They need to get out

[00:31:32] And they need to More important than The institution Yeah, yeah Absolutely so there are people who Have a difficult marriage Or just difficult circumstances And I really do believe that if you love each other You can work those things out Abusive

[00:31:58] People or narcissistic people don't know how to love There's no way to work it out Because you are living with the enemy And they can't change People that I'm not saying problematic in toxic people Can't change They do and God does change them

[00:32:14] The people that have truly high narcissistic traits And or fully toxic And or fully abusive and narcissistic Type people They can't change You can pray through them all day long The only person that's going to change them is God But you can sit there for 50 years

[00:32:30] And it will still be the same or maybe worse In the ring cases It rarely changes And that's you know a hard reality But Acceptance of that And then finding a way to Create a new life can be life changing For those people So that's right

[00:32:50] And I think also It's a call to stewardship In a way I remember my friend Adam He's talking to me when I after I had left One of the few lone wolves in my life Who were sort of helping me to see

[00:33:04] That I needed to protect myself and my children First and foremost But I kept saying Well, but I pray for him Can't you change And if I'm quieter and gentler and more lovely Well he wants As though I have that kind of power

[00:33:22] You know like as though I can somehow Draw him to God And make him not a narcissist And I remember Adam said If he even admits That he's a narcissist Which is never going to happen He would need a good ten years Of therapy To overcome this

[00:33:44] And then where would your kids go Yeah And I thought they would have suffered for the next ten years And so how do I how am I going to use my time on this earth To wait for a man to change

[00:33:56] Or am I going to rate my children in love of heart from that? And do my best to serve other people unhindered by his abuse Yeah And you're also showing your kids You know What if they got into the situation What if they were older?

[00:34:16] You would want them to make the decision that you did And that is to keep to be safe And to look after themselves They have to do and Nobody wants to send the message you stay No matter what You know there's a lot of people that will

[00:34:30] In newer things they would never ask their kids To endure and I'm sure you would say the same thing So Absolutely That they are valuable And that they deserve to be treated with consideration And respect and kindness As we're all commanded to do to treat each other So

[00:34:52] Exactly Rachel and you know that brings us back beautifully to the parent The ultimate parent God being the ultimate mother and father Mm-hmm The ultimate parent does not want us To die in an abusive marriage That is not I can't imagine that Like I can't imagine

[00:35:14] Fang to my children well you're just going to have to stay in suffer Mm-hmm God is not that way God loves us As individuals Yes And while he never promised us We would be happy every moment of our lives And that there would be challenges for sure

[00:35:32] I do believe that he wants us to be safe And if we're commanded One thing I've always thought about is if we're commanded to love All what is an eight or nine billion people So it's a theoretical But you know before you're commanded to love all those people

[00:35:46] The eight or nine billion people are also Communed to love us and to me that You know it just doesn't add up to the spirit of who Christ is to stay right If you were to when you're degraded and you're treated like garbage

[00:36:00] Because that's not how God wanted anybody to be treated You know Right I mean there's some situations we genuinely Cannot Get out like you know in the episodes Paul was speaking to slaves They could not unslave themselves

[00:36:18] So when you're in that situation there is a level of acceptance Okay, how can I love God? Love my neighbor as myself in this situation But when there's a provision for us to leave Yeah, that's different We accept that as a gift And and leave

[00:36:36] And God calls some people to be that provision And the you know during the What 150 years ago in American history there were people that helped Groupways so there were in some cases provisions given to help free Those people and I think that God also gives

[00:36:52] People some people a gift to teach and to Enable and to give resources to people that need to get out of those Extreme situations too that provision that you're talking about Exactly Definitely oh my goodness It has been appear to a Talk thank you for Facility

[00:37:12] An opportunity for me to talk about my story I almost never talk about it anymore Because I'm always the one who's interviewing But really I love hearing about people stories and their stories And they're coming because if people like my listeners are in situations

[00:37:28] Like this you don't even have to be in an abusive marriage You might just be in a difficult situation Just know that God can deliver you He can heal you and he can comfort you in situations where you have to endure Certain things for a season

[00:37:42] So just note that there's hope And that's one reason I like to hear your story and other people stories So that was a discussion with Meg and Owen Cox She discussed the program that she has if you're interested You might go check out her website

[00:37:58] You might go check out her website And the show notes I also will put her bio in the show notes So you can learn more about Meg and what she does And also you know in telling her story I hope that it encouraged you and blessed you

[00:38:14] She's one of the best people that I know and she's overcomes so much She is such a strong person and I really respect her Such a great woman of God Thank you so much for listening I hope you've enjoyed this podcast This has been Christian emotional recovery

[00:38:30] Season 3 episode 15 and this was a an interview with Megan Owen Cox an interview with Megan Owen Cox Remember beloved's God loves you and you are fearfully and wonderfully made Thank you so much for tuning into this week's episode of Christian emotional recovery Hosted by Rachel LaRoy

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